Seen & Unseen Aloud: new episode

Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

The Pope, wearing white, kneels, crades a bare foot, and kisses it.

Pope Francis kisses the foot of a woman inmate of the Rebibbia prison.

Vatican Media.

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This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

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Seen & Unseen Aloud

6 October 2025

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The profound and profane at sporting events, plus cafe time

New episodes: listen to articles by Jonathan Rowlands, Graham Tomlin, and Joshua Nurcombe-Pike.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

An aerial view of a pub with a large mural of a footballer on it

Jota commemorated, Liverpool.

Liverpool FC.

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About this episode

In this week's episode, Jonathan Rowlands explores the relationship between trauma and sacraments as he visits Anfield; Graham Tomlin asks whether a loss of an "ultimate" is the reason behind the recent behaviour at the Ryder Cup and Joshua Nurcombe-Pike explores the big thinking that goes on in the midst of cafe culture.